The purpose of this piece of research is to determine:
- The parentage of Liza Alder born 1829
- The birth dates of William and Elizabeth Alder as this may have a bearing on the above
- The parentage of Percival Alder/Barrett born 1859
- The relationship, if any, between Liza Alder and Albert John Barrett.
I have the advantage of having CD collection of the parishes of Berkshire. Hopefully, these should be able to answer the questions without having to spend hours trolling through on-line sites.
Eliza Alder born 1829
On the 1841 census she is described as the daughter of William and Elizabeth Alder. However, on the 1851 census she is living with John Barrett and his wife Harriet (formerly Alder) at the White Hart, Fyfield. John described her as ‘daughter in law’.
Because of other misleading census information, this has raised the question of her true parentage. It means it is possible that she is the illegitimate daughter of Harriet Alder, born before her marriage to John Barrett
First searched the baptism records for Fyfield and Tubney.
Tubney parish records date from 1847 and earlier records were kept at Fyfield, St. Nicholas.
There was no record of her baptism at either place but I could confirm the birth dates and marriage of William and Elizabeth Alder and this information we have.
So, where to look next? I thought a quick search on Ancestry and Find My Past might be quicker than looking through a hundred or so parish records as I didn’t know where she was born.
Ancestry was useless but FMP came up trumps and I nearly fell off my chair.
There it was:
Eliza Alder baptised at Appleton on 20 February 1829 daughter of Harriett.
The next thing to do was to check the Cd’s for the baptism records for Appleton.
Again, there it was! Stated in the record:
Baptised privately because of sickness, Eliza Weaving Alder 20 February 1829 illegitimate daughter of Harriet Alder of Tubney!!!
Now, the additional name of Weaving alerted me instantly because we have Weavings in our family tree!!!!! This was Harriet’s way of indicating the father.
Harriet’s and John’s sons married Weaving sisters!
James August Barrett married Rose Weaving in 1861 and Albert John Barrett married Martha Weaving in 1865. Both marriage certificates state that the girls’ father is Thomas Weaving a Bailiff and Relieving Officer!
Back to Fyfield records and a Thomas Weaving was baptised at Fyfield in 1807, son of James and Ann Weaving. This makes Thomas 2 years older than Harriet and very likely the father of Liza.
Thomas’ marriage record cannot be found at present either on line or in Parish records but according to the 1841 and 1851census’ his wife’s first name was Ann born about the same time as Thomas. Again, the years of birth are very much out.
Percival Henry Alder born 1858
He was baptised on 19 December 1858 at Tubney. His mother is Eliza Alder a spinster. There is no indication of the father’s name. On 1861 census he and Liza are living with John and Harriet. John has described Percy as his grandson – technically he was Harriet’s grandson. He still records Liza as daughter in law but wonder if this is for appearances sake for the census. Having accepted everything else here, I cannot quite make the leap of either James or Albert ‘getting it on’ with their half-sister because that is what Eliza is.
It is interesting to note that on the next page of the census, there is Thomas Weaving and family.
On 1871 census, Eliza and Percival are lodging with a Charlotte Wicks who is a tailor and Eliza a dressmaker. I am not aware of the surname Wicks in the family so don’t think there’s a connection.
Percival’s birth reference is;
1858 4th quarter v 2c page 232 Abingdon
His death reference is;
Percival H Alder-Barrett
1881 1st quarter v 3a page 426 Headington Oxfordshire
Could order these to see if there is any more information as to parentage or cause of death.
See also this post